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Postby steff109 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:31 am

just gonnna do a inbetween service oil change what oil is the best for me baby
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Postby Scooby Lee » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:13 am

Silkolene Pro-S 5w-40 - In my opinion, it's the best oil to use in modern performance car engines! :thumb:
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Postby Houdini » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:29 pm

Scooby Lee wrote:Silkolene Pro-S 5w-40 - In my opinion, it's the best oil to use in modern performance car engines! :thumb:


Absolutely no question. It's fantastic oil, and the only one I use in my T25. The only caveat is that it's a motorsport oil so when we're off-season it can be rather hard to come by. Nevertheless, it's excellent oil, and when it's off-season the runner-up is Shell Helix.
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Postby WR 1mposter » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:12 am

Follow the link and buy from here cheapest place for oil

They do home delivery, so tell your from WR1OC
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Postby marky mark » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:45 am

i think the silkolene, Motul, and Millers are all oils that are very highly regarded and will give you protection that will be difficult to better..

It's impossible to tell what is the best oil without lots of testing, stripping and measuring which is not going to happen.

@ my place of work we have done all this a number of times on bikes and Mobil and Rock oil are the best. Silkolene actually was about the worst of the quality oils. You are only talking the difference between a motor lasting 150K miles or a 170K miles though.

I have found in my own car that i get nearly 1/2 a bar more oil pressure with Motul 300V 15/50 than i do with the same grade silkolene though.
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Postby WR1 Bro » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:58 am

marky mark wrote:I have found in my own car that i get nearly 1/2 a bar more oil pressure with Motul 300V 15/50 than i do with the same grade silkolene though.


I have observed a similar trend with the 5/40 with the Motul over the Silkolene in my car too.
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Postby Houdini » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:39 am

Hmm. Interesting stuff. I think I should try Motul now :shock:
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Postby WR1 Bro » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:53 am

Houdini wrote:Hmm. Interesting stuff. I think I should try Motul now :shock:


Certainly worth a try...
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Postby Robocop » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:24 pm

I've being using Motul 300V Power 5w-40 in both STi's I've owned.
I also buy all mine from Opie Oils as well. It's the same stuff SWRT use apparently. http://www.motul.com/
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Postby SPIKE LIKE MIKE » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:43 pm

Interesting....

Porka used to get 0w 40
Scoob got 10w 50(im sure)
Evo got 10w 30 1st service then 0w 40
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Postby Scooby Lee » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:20 pm

Apparently, this car is currently using Silkolene Pro-S......and quite frankly, it's the best Rally Car in the UK! 8)

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...nuff said! :thumb:
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Postby SPIKE LIKE MIKE » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:03 pm

Scooby Lee wrote:Apparently, this car is currently using Silkolene Pro-S......and quite frankly, it's the best Rally Car in the UK! 8)

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...nuff said! :thumb:


looks like a rite pile o crap!
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Postby Scooby Lee » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:51 pm

Spike "THE LEGEND" Mike XXX wrote:looks like a rite pile o crap!


I think you need to be educated......

This 'Pile of Crap' has won the Somerset Stage Rally, 7 Years in a row. :shock: It competes against WRC Imprezas & EVOs......and makes them look rather average!

The spec. is as follows...

Bodyshell: Tubular space frame based around a box section central tunnel, Custom Cages roll cage welded to it, Peugeot 306 Maxi ice racer composite body panels,

Engine:
Mid-mounted naturally aspirated 2.5 litre, 24 valve, V6 Cosworth DFV (originally from an Opel German Touring Car).

Transmission:
Hewland six speed sequential gearbox with steering wheel paddle shift, 4WD with GKN propshafts and Prodrive Impreza Hubs.


Here are some short video clips (just turn-up the volume and listen to the noise!)

http://www.sc-photo-archive.co.uk/videos/2004-mutiny.avi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkasV_YVvTQ
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Postby WR 1mposter » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:22 pm

Lee

Awesome mate 8)

Looks like he can drive a bit too :twisted:
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Postby Scooby Lee » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:05 pm

WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Lee

Awesome mate 8)

Looks like he can drive a bit too :twisted:


It is awesome......not a 'Pile of Crap' as suggested by Spikey! :rofl:

He's not a bad driver for a Potato Farmer from Herefordshire... :shock:
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Postby mick c » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:03 am

Awesome. Well sorted machine. He should use it in his fields, he would soon have all the spuds up.
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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:19 am

Just to clear up a few things..

Frasier, Motul and silkolene are avaliable all year at opie oils, Motul and millers at AS performance, and Silkolene at RCM. All these 3 companies do very good mail order services.

All these 3 oils (although i dont think millers do a 5/40) are excellent. The shell helix you mention is not generally thought to be in the same league, although it will of course be fine.

Im no expert at all, but the chemists say only the motul and the millers are fully synthetic esthers. The silkolene 'apparently' has some other things in. Wether it makes it better or worse i know not.

Using an oil because 'SWRT use it, The best rally car in the country uses it, Lewis Hamilton uses it' is fine, but these are competition engines that dont need to last. They are rebuilt regularly with pistons, rings and shells which are the 3 main things that give your oil a hard time. Also don't think that just because a car has Castrol emblazoned up the side it is actually using it. i can name you 2 bike teams in the higher echelons of the sport that take the money from one oil company but use competitors product.

If you spend a lot of time on the technical forums -22B and SN- You would say the no.1 oil amongst those people who command some respect is probably Millers, followed by Motul and then silkolene.

I have no experience of Millers. I knocked a big end out of my own engine with Mobil1 @ circa 115 degreees so i wont use it again. I have stripped an Impreza engine to upgrade parts in it thats been on Motul most of it's life and it looked fine, and i have done the same on a car that had silkolene and again it looks fine. I get higher oil pressure on Motul though so i tend to favour it, although i have silkolene in at the minute.

For someone to say "this oil is the best" they are either a very highly qualified chemist who happens to have done a lot of thermal cycling engine testing ans stripping/measuring/rebuiding, they are selling the stuff, or they are speaking where they have no right too.
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:36 am

Great Answer Mark

Opie Oils do testing on the oils, and they recommend "silkolene"
above "motu" l dont ask me why, but on my next passing of there office
I will pop in and ask why !
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Postby WR1 Bro » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:50 am

WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Great Answer Mark

Opie Oils do testing on the oils, and they recommend "silkolene"
above "motu" l dont ask me why, but on my next passing of there office
I will pop in and ask why !


Probably better profit margin?
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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:11 am

I would tend to agree with Bro.

I know Simon from Opie well, he has used my car on his stands at shows now and again. Decent bloke but no relatively small supply company like Opie is going to wear test. It is long, laborious, involved, expensive and you need an engine dyno.

Hence why the oil companies are in bed with the manufacturers. They need therm for R and D.

You or i can send samples of oil away for chemical composition analysis and post the results on the internet. Unless you are an absolute genuis at interpreting analysis into how quicker your engine will wear then its not really a lot of good.

As i said we have done a few big oil tests at work which involves building blueprinted engines (all components at mid limit on each engine) with all the parts measured and sizes logged.

Each engine is then ran with a different oil in for a set number of cycles in temp/climate controlled dyno cells. These cycles all differ i.e one may be fire up at -10 deg C and take it immediately to 8000 RPM and hold it there for 10 mins. The next one may be hold it at peak torque for 4 hrs. The cycles are designed to take an engine to its extremities.

Then the engines are stripped and measured. You can then say which is the best oil for your engine.

Only Oil and auto manufacturers/ F1 teams have the money and resources to do this. Opie oils, RCM, AS performance etc. most certainly do not and it's pure marketing if any of them Say Silkolene is better than Motul or Vice Verca as they don't know.

I can say that on our tests Mobil has won every one and Motul is up there, silkolene down at the bottom. You can't really read into this though as motorcycle oils are diferent due to additives required for wet clutches and higher RPM etc.
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Postby jd » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:47 pm

love the Burton Peugeot Cosworth

seen this in action, stunning car.
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:14 pm

WR1 Bro wrote:
WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Great Answer Mark

Opie Oils do testing on the oils, and they recommend "silkolene"
above "motu" l dont ask me why, but on my next passing of there office
I will pop in and ask why !


Probably better profit margin?



No mate silkolene is cheaper than motul
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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:18 pm

WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Great Answer Mark

Opie Oils do testing on the oils, and they recommend "silkolene"
above "motu" l dont ask me why, but on my next passing of there office
I will pop in and ask why !


Probably better profit margin?



No mate silkolene is cheaper than motul


I think you are not taking onboard some relatively simple economics. Profit margin does not mean it's more expensive or cheaper, merely the suplier is making a bigger percentage :roll:
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:24 pm

marky mark wrote:
WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:
WR1 Bro wrote:
WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator) wrote:Great Answer Mark

Opie Oils do testing on the oils, and they recommend "silkolene"
above "motu" l dont ask me why, but on my next passing of there office
I will pop in and ask why !


Probably better profit margin?



No mate silkolene is cheaper than motul


I think you are not taking onboard some relatively simple economics. Profit margin does not mean it's more expensive or cheaper, merely the suplier is making a bigger percentage :roll:



But if Silkolene was cheaper but better then why do they not make a bigger profit margin on it !

It seems to me that if silkolene was dearer people would still buy it

So hence they probably make the same profit on both :finger:
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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:33 pm

Eh??????

Example:

Supplier can buy silkolene at
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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:37 pm

[quote="marky mark"]Eh??????

Example:

Supplier can buy silkolene at
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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:42 pm

You said Silkolene is cheaper than Motul in response to Bro's suggestion regarding profit margin.

This is not off topic, it's merely going with the flow of a thread. The fact it's making you sound like a dummy is a bonus.

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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:49 pm

But if they are brought for the same cost, then more profit on the dearer one!


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Postby marky mark » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:59 pm

[quote="WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator)"]But if they are brought for the same cost, then more profit on the dearer one!


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Postby WR 1mposter » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:01 pm

[quote="marky mark"][quote="WR 1mpostor (aka number 1 moderator)"]But if they are brought for the same cost, then more profit on the dearer one!


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